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#8920 September 19th, 2003 at 11:30 PM
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Help, friends! I kill off plants with my touch, and inspire weeds to grow with my voice. It's a horrible curse.

I have very little time for gardening. I work so many hours a week and I am left exhausted.

I want to know what are the lowest-maintenance plants out there? plants that don't require fancy care, plants that grow like crazy and look gorgeous. And what are the lowest-maintenance garden tricks that yield the best results for the effort?

I've tried gardening a few seasons. I finally figured out that I need to replace soil instead of relying on the dried compact dust that comes in my plot. My most recent venture was flowers. I replaced soil with bagged garden soil I got at Walmart. I planted seeds to specification. But the only flowers that grew turned out to be these ugly invasive things that have leaves that look like wilted crabcrass and flowers that bloomed for about one week.

It was disappointing, considering I was worried the supposed 6-foot tall sunflowers I planted would be too tall. It looks so easy when other people do it... I keep seeing lovely maintained gardens with rows of different flowers. Is the secret to buy them ready made and transplant?? smile

So, is fertilizing worth it? Is a compost pile worth it? Do I have to do all the tricks to succeed?

And are there any tricks for quickly removing dried up compact dirt that is covered in deeply entrenched frightening prickly weeds? I tire quickly from shoveling-- Once I get some dirt moving along, and I have a slight hole, I stand there bouncing on the shovel-- but still, it barely budges into the earth. I either need to gain weight or come up with a new strategy. Water doesn't seem to help, and it only helps the weeds propagate.

Any book recommendations?

Should I just give this all up until I retire?
Maybe nice gardens arent meant for people who don't have the time!

drowning in dirt, weeds, and fruitless seeds,
Greenie! eek

#8921 September 19th, 2003 at 11:49 PM
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forgot to mention-- funds are also limited, so i can't just hire someone to get a nice garden started and then maintain it myself...

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wavey Welcome Greenie to the Garden Helper. wavey You have come to the right place. I don't have a lot of answers for you right this minute, although, I do have a few, But there are many knowlegeble folks who will work on this with you and before you know it, you will have a gorgeous garden!!

Now, the first thing I would do is this. I would look around for some containers (doesn't matter what they are, so much as if they will hold dirt and let water drain). Then I would get some of the plants I wanted to have, put the dirt in the container, and then plant the plant. To maximize water retention, I would put some rocks or mulch on top of the soil to hinder the evaporation. I have a wonderful wandering jew in an old mailbox! I filled it half full with packing peanuts (gotta do something with them) then covered them with fabric (I used holey landscape fabric) so the soil wouldn't settle to the bottom, then filled the rest with potting soil (walmart cheap stuff) and put the wandering jew in it. Now it is sitting under the trees looking like I spent a million bucks on it! It is easy to weed, the wandering jew smothers out most of them and the rest are easy to cut back or pull out.
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you guys are so lucky to be able to grow nice plants out side all year around, that mail box planter is such i cute idea, i could do that here in the summer but i would have to take it in in the winter, i have a wandering jew but it is a house plant it does really well out side in the summer.

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thanks so much for the tips!

an update: this morning i collected all sorts of containers and washed them out. then i got four packets of seeds from the drug store. i put walmart soil into the containers, mixed in some citrus-fruit-trees-targeted fertilizer, then drenched it all in water (otherwise, the walmart soil NEVER GETS WET!! WHEN I WATER THAT SOIL THE WATER POOLS AT THE TOP>>> I SWEAR IT IS WATER RESISTANT!). then i sprinkled on some seeds. I don't think they will grow. They are just so tiny!! So I also put some of the seeds on a moist paper towel. I put them all outside and covered them with a cardboard box. Hopefully something will sprout!~ I'll just make sure to keep them moist every day. The one plant I really really hope will grow is the Stonecrop-- but that's also the tiniest little seeds... i just dont think they do anything. a thousand tiny seeds and not one of them cracks.

well i'll look into buying a wandering jew (have no clue what that is), and just sproutlings in general (instaed of seeds).

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i also cut off a piece of another plant and wrapped its stem in a moist paper towel (plus a few pellets of fertilizer). it's got succulent leaves, so i know it can grow roots! I wonder when to transwer it to real soil? Does anyone else do this paper towel thing or is it just a twisted nightmare of mine? does it actually work? i'll let you know!

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Greenie, you are on the right track. but... I wouldn't cover the plants with the cardboard. They need the light. also, with my succulents, I just plop the cutting in the potting soil and let it go. Keep us posted!

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ok i will only cover them with the box at night then, for warmth. im worried though that the sun will dry out the seeds and they wont sprout. the sun is pretty strong here and dries everything up in an instant!! and the directions said place seeds on top of soil, so they are just exposed to drying out.... doh

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by the way-- any tips on super fast growing gorgeous NON FLOWERING plants would be great. im not really obsessed with flowers like a lot of people. i actually have more appreciation for lots of green leaves. i just dont like stems all over the place-- the fuller and bushier the better.
but suggestions for flowering plants also welcoem, since thats what my friends and family appreciate~

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Heard a talk a year ago where the speaker said to look around your neighborhood and see what is doing well. He feels that people seem to want to import plants that may not do well in the wrong environment. He says that you should look around to see what mature plants exist in your neighborhood. You can plant most anything, but if it has passed the test of time, it should be successful for you. Would you have neighbors who would be willing to discuss their plants with you? Who knows, they might even be willing to share. smile

#8930 September 21st, 2003 at 11:36 AM
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Greenie you may have posted somewhere else......(been gone for a couple weeks and having a heck of a time catching up on all the reading)....where abouts in California are you located? That would help us Californians to figure out what kind of plants may be suitable for your area.

I used to live in Walnut, Calif. (unicorporated area of L.A.)by the 60 and 57 freeway for 14 years and now I live in Fallbrook, CA off the 15 frwy for just a little over a year now.

We have several people from CA. now???? Yeah....go Calif.!!!!!!!!

The idea about checking out the neighborhood is a good idea. Also check out the local nurseries and see what they have.
I really love my pink hibiscus....prune once a year a let er grow. They drop their flowers after a day but new ones are coming everyday. The type I like best are the ones with the more delicate leaves.

Another suggestion: If you are friendly with a neighbor or just walking down the street and see someone outside ask them if it is possible to snag a starter of a certain type of plant. Most people will be more than welcome to share and give you all the advice you can handle about the plant.

As most people here know my soil is soil-less and all I have is granite. I need to really rent a jack hammer and go for it. In the mean time I dig, put water, dig a little more, use a pick, water some more, dig....it is hard. I wound up having several loads of compost/topsoil delivered and did the work of hauling myself. It can get expensive and is a lot of work. Who needs a gym pass???? I have concluded my veggie garden for next year is going to be in a raised garden bed. Rather build up and fill than dig that stinken granite.
Catlover wavey

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im in san jose, ca.

i hear there are plants that prefer dried up clay soil... my lucky day... i'll just drill holes and drop in seeds and see what happens wink

it would be nice to make a whole crop of flowers. grow em indoors, then give them to friends. so im going to plan a production line for a constant supply. im thinking yoghurt containers in rows. must think of ideas for an irrigation system so i wont actually have to do any work.... scoop yogurt cups full of dirt, pop in seed, add to assembly line. irrigation system takes care of watering them.

then i can ignore the mess outdoors, and still get my kick with plants.

anyone try anything like that before? crops of flowers?

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Remember also there is a seed exchange section here where you can get seeds for nothing!!!!!
Sounds like you have some good plans. Best of luck. Keep us informed as to how you are making out. I like the yogurt container idea for starting plants. Your helping people already with ideas.
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#8933 September 24th, 2003 at 05:28 PM
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Hello Greenie,
Welcome to The Garden Helpers Forum!!!
I have been meaning to stop by and welcome you and post a bunch of times, but I wanted to make sure I gave you a long post and things have been a bit hectic here the last couple of days.......
Others I saw were giving you some sound advice along the way as well!!!!
Carol (and Catlover) had given advice about walking through the neighborhood and take a peak at what's growing around you....That is the best test of what grows in your area.
As far as your soil and working it and compost and what you'd like for your garden,
This is what I would do when I go to start a bed for flowers. (I am a reasonable patient gardener and very limited funds, and no muscle to do my work)
If I want to garden in a spot in the next season or add to an existing bed... I take card board from almost anywhere's I can get it, but you might want to go to an appliance store, get the refrig and/or washer/dryer boxes, good sizes, all in one piece, if you use the small pieces like I do, you spend alot of time covering all the holes....
figure out where you want to put it, lay the stuff down on the ground and water the heck out of it, that weights it down and keeps it moist and then in the fall time I take all the shredded leaves I can get my hands on and dump the pile there on top of the card board. *If it's dry, water in-between loads. Grass clippings in the leaves is a bonus!! Speeds up the decomposing process. This will bring worms to the underside of your cardboard. And adventually they'll do alot of your work for you...This kills most of the weeds, (weeds will go away!!) But it gets 97% of them. (rots the green leaves, and doesn't allow light in to feed their roots) When your worms come, they eat up that decaying green leaves, dying roots, decomposing cardboard and the leaves in time. (that's where patients comes in) and make sure it's flat, not a huge pile in the middle, so it decomposed evenly)
So, I would do that for your winter months, and in the mean time do something's like Jiffy said. She's right on the money with the mailbox idea, very cute. I do that for LARGE pots too and wishing wells, etc. Anything too big that would take too much dirt to fill up and it helps with drainage and keeps the $price$ down.
And containers like jiffy said. And I even fill shoes or boots....Njoynit has a bubblegum machine which I'm swiping the idea for next year.
But you get some pots of all sizes from your local cemeteries sometimes if your funds are low and you'd like pots, sometimes there's bins that the caretakers throw into (or visitors) all of the plants/pots that have died....Believe it or not, we've found a TON of live geraniums in there, that do require a bit of nursing but can be brought back happily to life with a good hair cut and repotting and some water, and fertilizer!!!
(But watch for bees nesting in them!!) Grab the pots there or put a sign up in your local grocery stores of such that would have a high volume of ladies that might garden, and put a sign up, that's what I do, I give alot of babies away and I need pots. So, I post a sign, Got extra pots, want to throw them away? Throw them my way, will give them a good home... I know alot of neighbors and they walk them over to me or send their neighbors. (they look at it as not to have to put them in their $$$ garbage...Bonus for me!!)
And just pot your way in the summer,
if you say your dirt is hard to work,
and tiresome, this is a good route to go,
you get something the first yr. that is alot
of fun to do, with annuals and such in the pots, and the following year, you've got an area that's free of debris, and then workable for planting. Just food for thought, when you do work it up in the next coming yr. remember tilling up the soil does then awaken new weeds and weed seeds. I would personally get my little rototiller out, till it up and (***check first to see what your cardboard looks like, it may be mostly gone or some still there, depends on your amount of worms and how long you leave it there and what item and weight of item you put on top of the pile as you are letting it sit, the place where a pot or something sat on top will have decomposed faster than the spot with nothing on it. Don't rototill "Large" pieces of cardboard in as it tends to get stuck into the tiller....***)

I'd also put compost on top, the first year go buy a couple bags at the end of the season, when they reduce the price to get it out the door after season ends, Place the compost on top, spread evenly, I suppose you could even put some mulch on top, that'll make it look more even and then, And in time that decomposes too.
Put all your pots and planters on top and you've got a nice area. Then in the coming years, keep adding the compost and your dirt will attract so many worms, they'll have worked you soil for you.
To keep it in a contained area, if you have some landscape timbers, usually $3 and/or cement brick's, (You can plant in the holes) cut up branches, cut in 8" or so increments, that's very reasonable if funds are low and looks cute.
Well, I've probably gone on looooooooooong enough!
I have more to write on composting, but that's a whole 'nother book!!!
I have posted some things on composting before,
if you have time to read,
And if you do a GARDEN SEARCH you'll find
alot of what Bill has on his site here.
If you do a FORUM SEARCH you'll find alot
of my and others questions and comments on it.
That'll keep you reading for a bit, and I'll be back to give you some composting ideas..........
Can you compost where you are, is there a spot, or are you into it/????? It's as much work as you want to put into it, I'm patient and have the are to have 7 of them, so, it's up to you............
Let me know your thoughts on it, and I'll get back to you!!!
Hope this helps!
Happy Gardening!!! flw
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I think this one fits you Weezie
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#8935 September 24th, 2003 at 09:08 PM
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Karen,
I've been using it at the end of every post lately,
I KNOW IT FITS ME!!!
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I want the snoring one next!!!
LOL

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Sorry I'm late coming to this discussion! I live in the LA area, and have foundthe following plants do very well with very little worry:

If you want a low groundcover flowering trailer, vinca minor (periwinkle) will do the trick, and it's a great pest resistant plant.

plumbago take a week or two to establish, and then grow like weeds, with beautiful sky blue flowers set amidst a profusion of green shrubbery.

4'oclocks are lovely easy growth flowering creepers.

Hydrangea needs alot of moisture as it establishes itself, but hten you basically can't kill the thing, as it grows and grows into a big green bush (some as tall as houses, if you don't cut them back!) Remember, though, with hydrangea, if you DON't want flowers, cut them back every year, past the point of new growth. This will make them skip one flowering season. If you DO want them to flower the next season, make sure you only cut back as far as new growth.

For now, you may want to keep away from Day lily, Hibiscus, Plumeria, roses, and other plants that do require special attention, but soon enough you'll be amending, fertilizing, mineralising, and deadheading with the rest of the gang!

Enjoy yourself, and my only blasphemous advice to close with would be: with very few exceptions, plants love to be cut back a little on a regular basis, so if you don't like what you see, chop it off cleanly, and something is sure to grow back!


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