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Posted By: write2rellie periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 02:56 AM
Hi, these may be common plants, but as they came with the house when purchased, I don't know what they are.
plant 1: the bush with little pink flowers
plant 2: the grassy mound with stalks (when I moved into the house the stalks were green and topped by purple puffs of flowers)
thanks to anyone who can help!
ok here goes, I'm going to try to add the link to the webshots page:
http://community.webshots.com/album/114574936CmDqGr?534
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 03:45 AM
Plant #1.... out of control Periwinkle??? Duh

Do a Yahoo search...periwinkle plant... and look at the resemblance!!! What do you think? Duh

Wait for others to roll through and give their ideas!!!
Posted By: write2rellie Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 04:06 AM
THANKS! looks a lot like a periwinkle, you may be right, so now how do i get it back under control??? and make it thrive. the little flowers are quiet pretty when the whole bush blooms. wavey
Posted By: weezie13 Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 05:31 AM
Does periwinkle turn into a bush??

Mine here is just a creeping ground cover..

Does it turn into a bush type with a
warmer zone/??

The picture looks like it's a bush????

Duh Duh Duh Duh Duh

Weezie
Posted By: write2rellie Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 06:55 AM
well, weezie, you're right, i did some reading, and periwinkle is described as a vine/subbush. mine is definately a bush. it's not creeping or climbing on anything. it is now about- oh- 2ft tall. the flowers are little- like one inch across. i'm VERY new to gardening, so I honestly don't have a clue what it is or how to classify it.
Duh
Posted By: Newt Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 09:31 AM
Hi Rellie,

The second plant is probably an allium, a member of the onion family and blooms from a bulb. Take a look here. You can click on the pictures for a larger view.

Brent and Becky\'s


Newt

I just made shorter link to Newt's site Weezie
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 05:36 PM
2nd pix looks more like a lily of the nile. We have a lot of these in Calif. There are other varieties as well. I have quite a few here at this place....a common planting! When the top is dead like in your pix you can either go in deep and clip it out or wait till it will pull out on its own. There will be lots of seeds...(if this is a Lily of the nile) and you can just sprinkle them on top of the ground, rake your foot across the soil and wha la more plants next year!!!
You can click on the side pix to enlarge
http://plantsdatabase.com/go/139/

What do you think??? Duh
Catlover
Posted By: write2rellie Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 05:49 PM
the second plant does look more like lilly of the valley than the allium. When I moved in there were flowers, but they didn't last long. from what i remember they were similar to the lilly. However, in the pictures the lilly of the valley seems big and the leaves seem stiff. my plant is small, maybe 5 or 6 inches across the base, and the "leaves" are grassy. (they fall over, they don't stand up at all.) could it be a young lilly of the valley, or a variety of it? Duh thanks ya'll grinnnn
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 06:13 PM
Duh I'll have to go out and look at mine!!! I know I have some like that as well!!!

Anybody out there know anymore about this 2nd plant????? Duh I'm just a newbie here!!!! Where is everybody when you need them. laugh

I'll keep doing some research on both plants!!! thumbup
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 06:58 PM
How about Agapanthus!!! Duh

http://www.normansnurseryinc.com/plant_pictures/Agapanthus%20africanus.htm

What do you think???? Duh
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 06:58 PM
My two cents... I'm pretty sure plant 2 is a sad Lily of the Nile. They are all over the place around Ca. In the spring they will have large heads of purple or white flowers. They are very popular and easy to take care of once they get going. And it looks to me like plant 1 may be an overgrown vinca. They can get quite shrub like, I believe. I'll see if I can't find some pictures...
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 06:59 PM
I think you've got it Catlover. We were posting at the same time. Agapanthus is the same as Lily of the Nile!
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 07:00 PM
Oh shoot that is another name for lily of the nile....but the leaves in the last pix are smaller. Duh
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 07:01 PM
laugh Just read yours....we are posting at darn near the same time!!! laugh
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 07:01 PM
I think its just a baby or it possibly didn't get much love before Rellie moved in.
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 07:04 PM
Mine are planted more in the sun than it looks like hers are getting???? I have some in both shade/sun and full sun!!! I was walking around outside and "bam" that word agapanthus went ding, ding in my head!!! Thought I was up to something clever. :p laugh ROFL

Okay I'm an idiot what can I say! I'm still laughing at myself. shocked

These mysteries are soo much fun!
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 07:21 PM
Catlover, you're too funny... kit

I've looked at plant 1 a little more and I'm pretty sure its in the vinca/periwinkle family. We have one right outside our door at work and its at least 2.5 feet tall. Here's more info...

vinca
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 07:41 PM
Have you seen them prune it gardengal?

No expert here Rellie but when mine started getting stemy (but they were no where near that size and maybe a different type than I had) I waited for some new growth at the base and trimmed down the that point. Forced it to leave out lower! But don't go by what I say Rellie....I don't want to be responsible for killing your plant!!!! frown
Posted By: weezie13 Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 08:06 PM
Rellie you wrote;
Quote
could it be a young lily of the valley, or a variety of it?
Not a lily of the valley.......

Could it be some kind of Day lily???

Although, I'd like a picture of the stem
of the dried flower a little closer...
If it's got several stems for the flower head,
I'd go with the agapanthus!!!! Not a daylily?....

It could be what Newt said, a test would be
to take one of the leaves, and squwish it, pinch it, poke it with your fingernail, something to see if it smells like an onion smell........


Weezie
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 08:18 PM
Your test worked Weezie. I'm pretty sure its a Lily of the Nile/ Agapanthus.

Nope, I've never seen anybody do anything to our vinca out front but she's a beauty. Gets mostly shade too, a little bit of afternoon sun, not much. It looks like Rellie's just got a little leggy. I would suggest trimming it and it will probably produce even more little flowers. grinnnn
Posted By: weezie13 Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 08:27 PM
Kristen,
I wanted to shorten that URL down, they go off the page, so, I condensed it....

**Just a note,
When posting a URL go through the option on the
bottom, that way, it keeps the http shorter, and you can give a name to where you're going......


Those pictures are so hard,
I'm from the North, where my vinca's never would turn into a shrub, but with out being a full~fledged gardener with horticulture background, you know what I mean, you can't be sure, one plant may act a certain way in a Northern cold freezing climate, and act a totally different way in a Southern, never freezing, hot climate, It adds growth on to it that a Northern regular gardener would never see.....

Does that make sense???

Weezie
Posted By: write2rellie Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 08:57 PM
wow! thanks so much!
Weezie, I meant Lilly of the nile... I mistyped....

Ok, My yard gets full morning sun, the house faces due east. i think perhaps the homeowners planted them just before selling the house and this may be why they are so young? wavey
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 09:22 PM
I see what you're up to now Weezie. Thanks for making it better. I use the URL button just because its easier, didn't realize that's why the pages were getting all screwy. You're the best!

Rellie,
Roses want full sun, that much I know. Lily of the Nile prefers full sun I believe to get all big and bushy. Vincas, I don't know, I've had them grow anywhere, pretty easy plant. I don't have any bird of paradise, but I usually see them in full sun when I'm out and about. You're lily of the Nile can get pretty big and as Catlover said, they do drop seeds and spread. I think vincas look pretty mixed with impaitens myself. We're lucky to have a mild climate. For great fragance I would suggest a geranium, easy to take care of and their leaves smell so neat. If you have a nice some what shady spot, fuschias work well here too. Just protect them from the strong summer sun and you'll get blooms in the winter. grinnnn
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 09:38 PM
Are your fushchias planted in the ground gardengal?

My lily of the nile are in full sun/ part shade. My parents BOP/and others I have seen around here are all in full sun....the root structure can get massive....I suggest if you are EVEN thinking about moving it (not to say you are going to) I would move it when it is small.

I suck at dimensions so.........if you stretch your arms out (twice) that is only the width of one of my parents BOP!!!But they were approx. 33 yrs old. Eventually the ground will lift a little with the roots!!! Trim out any dead birds as far down as you can go!!! Later on the dead pieces can be pulled out!

Drive around the neighborhood and you can see what others have done!!! thumbup

Here is a page Bill has here!
http://www.thegardenhelper.com/strelitzia.htm
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 10:16 PM
I have three fuschias planted in the ground along my south wall. They get mostly shade in the summer, a bit of morning sun. In the spring and fall they explode into bloom. They are so delicate looking, I just love them.
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 11:21 PM
Gardengal....Is there a specific type used for planting in the ground...all I've seen are the type for hanging baskets! I loveeee fushias....I gave my parents one that was called indian maiden double trailing...the pink and purple are just amazing colors!!!

Hmmmm....Unless I have my directions all mixed up :rolleyes: my south wall is HOT and sunny!!! Do you have some trees that are shading that side?
Posted By: gardengal Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 29th, 2004 at 11:55 PM
Catlover, kit I don't know what their names are (this was before I was Ms. Organized-File-Away-Names-of-Plants girl). I think I bought them all at Target or Home Depot. One is a tree type that stands about 4 ft tall. That one has the red and purple mixed blooms. It was on clearance at Target since it was near death but I saved it. flw
Posted By: write2rellie Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 30th, 2004 at 10:39 PM
Ok, thanks to all who helped here...

Catlover, I did cut the vincas back, I did basically what you did, look for new growth and cut back to that point. some of the brances had been so long they were weighting the plants down. after pruning, I had nice springy little plants. That was yesterday. I went out today to do some watering and it looked like they had grown tons of leaves over night! All those little buds were opening up. YAY Duh

I'll take more pics after we see what's there. Thanks to you all!!

I''m sure I'll have more questions along the way, thanks for taking the time to simplify things for me, the novice that I am. I appreciate the kind help. shocked
Posted By: catlover Re: periwinkle and lily of the valley - January 30th, 2004 at 11:31 PM
Simplify??? LOL....that was the most intelligent it gets. laugh laugh

You are great Rellie....Hey I have some crocus and daffodils that are sprouting up right now....go to yahoo or google and see if any of the new sprouts look like those!!! Let us know what you ended up with!!! I have something in the front under my weeping birch that is coming up....didn't last year....wonder what it is?....it has different sprouts than the previous 2 I mentioned!!! Time will tell!!! Then I may have to research what the heck it is!!! laugh

Keep us updated!!! wavey
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