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#110634 December 22nd, 2005 at 10:22 PM
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Does anyone know of a germination table that is conplete and comprehensive? I know that this would take a lot of work. Loads of work really but I sure would like to find one.

I've been hunting and searching all over the place. What I would really like to find is one that states: when to plant, type of soil, soil temp, water requirement, sun requirements, wether to plant indoors or direct sow, sowing depth, and special requirements if any. Is that really to much to ask? I hate loosing seeds because I don't know stuff about their germination requirements. Like beans can't be watered after they are planted until they sprout. Can't tell you how many I lost before someone clued me in on that little trick.

Ok, that's my soap box.

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Save yourself a lot of work and searching... Look on the net for a used copy of "Park's Success with seeds" by Ann Reilly.
It was published by Park seed company in 1978 and covers hundreds of plants, their uses, growing habit, cultivation and seed germination requirements!
I guarantee you'll like it!

A new edition of this book is available from Park for $19.95.

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Like beans can't be watered after they are planted until they sprout.
What is the reason for that? I guess I bypass that problem, because I always soak large seed like beans and corn before I plant, to promote sprouting.

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cool. I think I'll put that on my christmas list lol. I'll definitely get that. I am driving myself slightly bonkers. Ok, very bonkers.

Thanks Bill.

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peppereater I haven't a clue. But when I water them before they sprout they don't but if I soak the soil well before planting and then don't water again until after they sprout they do really well. Although I did figure out that each silly seed likes it's own pot. Otherwise one will grow well and the others will be runts.

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I sympathize with you, peppereater... I've been all over the Web looking for that too, & have decided that you have to pick through & keep Googling to get that sort of info. [Linked Image] GRRR!

As for beans, peas & corn, I don't bother with planting those straight in the ground & wondering how many will sprout... I put them on a wet paper towel in a baggie, & after they sprout (just a few days) I plant them in their rows. It's just too hard to remember to water "dirt", when I don't see anything breaking ground! (Besides, it's pretty breezy up here on the hill I live on, & the surface of the ground gets dried out pretty fast, so it'd be hard to keep an area "damp but not wet".)

A table I'd like to see but have yet to find, is one that is, as you say, "complete and comprehensive" & would include info about pre-treatment requirements such as stratification, scarification, light exposure requirements etc. Someone has gone through the trouble to make a pretty nice list (with pictures) of seeds, seedpods & their germination time, at The Seed Site but the list is only for flowers, & doesn't mention seed pre-treatment requirements.

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Your right pre-treatments should definitely be a catagory.

I wonder if we could talk Mary into doing this after the holidays are over and she has a chance to catch her breath.

I've been trying to help her with the plant profiles but they don't include germination or pre-treatment information.

I'll have to try to remember to ask her. Her website is really neat.

In fact I have a website too. I forget about it all the time because there isn't anything on it lol.

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I never knew that beans shouldn't be watered until they sprout when you plant the seeds in the garden. Well it hasn't affected mine from sprouting, so either I was holding my mouth right or nature took care of it for me???????

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Have you looked through other gardening sites? Tell you the truth,I didn't even know such a thing existed till you asked for it.

That's the first of Deepak Chopra's Seven Spiritual Laws of Success, BTW . . . Potentiality - you think of it, cast your stone of intention on it and eventually it turns up - even if it didn't exist in the first place, someone will be inventing it as you cast your desire for it.

(Somethin' like that, anyway)

Enough from the Swami today, eh?

I'm going to have a look for this thing. All my Christmas shopping is done, I've been gorging on chocolates and am in one of those moods.

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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bcollingwood/Germination.htm

If you scroll down the page you'll see a table, but I think it has to do with soil mixes. A lotta' 50 cent words in it.

Here's a germination table on vegetables mostly:

http://groups.msn.com/AbleFarmandGardening/germinationtableplus.msnw

And good golly ms. molly! Lookee here!

http://faq.*********.com/faq/lists/teach/2002111303003772.html

Well, I'm just showing off my search skills, like the egotistic son-of-a-gun I am . . . it's nothing you can't do yourself - just go to www.google.com and put the words 'germination table' in the window.

I hope this helps.

(I have just practiced the Law of Dharma. Yes, I know - I'm a nut.)

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Your right Carly there are alot of germination tables out there. I guess my problem is that I need one for beginners lol.

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Don't feel bad about yourself - I'm the same way. Like I say, a lot of 50 cents words being bandied about there - I like words like 'daisy', 'petunia', 'geranium' and the like.

I realize it's good to know the botanical names though, it's just that I've already got too much information crammed in the 'hard drive', meaning 'my brain'.

I've got to clear some space - I might live for another 40 years.

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comfrey I was starting mine inside. That might have had something to do with it.

This is what i've got so far, it doesn't match up evenly but hopefully it's understandable. If you can add anything to it that would be great.

GERMINATION TABLE

1. Watering requirements are moist until the plant sprouts unless otherwise noted in the special needs section.

2. Interplanting is less stressful to plants than planting all the same type in a flower beds.


plant Names,Planting Time, Days to Germination, Soil Temp, Light Exposure, Special Needs

Allium 'Sparklers';direct sow in fall, unk, unk dark
Mulch with 3 inches of light mulch after sowing, these are bulbs
companion plant for rose bushes repels aphids and enhances the fragrance of the rose blooms.

Alpine Sea Holly direct sow in fall 83 days light
Doesn't like fertilizer

Wood's Aster, inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
before last frost

Babies Breath Direct sow spring 10 to 20 days 70 dark
Has to have alkaline soil, plant at 1/16 inch deep, does not like to be transplanted

Basil, Sweet Direct sow after 5 to 10 days 70
all danger of frost has passed
enhances the flavor of tomatoes and lettuce, and repels flies and mosquitoes

Bell peppers inside 8 weeks 6 to 8 days 80 to 85F dark
before last frost
Use a light soil, need good air circulation, peat pots may be to wet for good germination. Wait until the soil temp is

between 70 and 85 degrees before setting out the bell peppers.

Bells of Ireland direct sow fall light
Self seeds,

Blanket flower direct sow early 15 to 45 days 70 to 75F dark
spring thru summer
6 to 10 days life after cutting, drought tolerant, self seeding. Let heads dry completely before harvesting seeds.

blooms from summer through to first frost.


Cardinal Climber Vine direct sow
after danger of last frost has passed
invasive

Carnations direct sow spring & dark
summer or inside 6
to 8 weeks before last
frost
likes slightly alkaline soils, do not mulch, use a light seed starter medium,

Carolina Jasmine Vine spring indoors 70 dark


Carrots, Nantes coreless
Attracts beneficial insects

Celosia, 'scarlet' direct sow 5 to 10 70 light or dark
these can be started indoors 8 weeks before last frost if you have biodegradeable pots. But if their roots are

disturbed in anyway they will stop growing. For direct sow wait until the beginning of summer as they are very picky

about temperature.

Chinese Lantern
needs a light soil. alkaline ph

Chinese Money plant

Chives
enhance the flavor of tomatoes, carrots, apples, berries and grapes and repel aphids and japanese beetles.

Chrysanthamums


Cleome Spider flower


Coleus inside 8 weeks 5 to 10 days 65 light
before last frost

Columbine winter direct sow light

Coriander
Attracts beneficial insects

Cosmos inside 4 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
before last frost

Crepe Myrtle, Dwarf

Crocus

Daffodils

Daisies

Dianthus

Dill
Attracts beneficial insects

Dusty Miller

Feverfew

Flamebush

Four O'clocks

Gaillardia 'Goblin'

Garlic, Wild
garlic tend to repel certain insects

Gay Feathers

Green onions

Helenium Mahogany

Helleborus x nigers
?Christmas rose?


Heuchera americana
(Coral Bells or Alum-Root)

Hibiscus

Hollyhocks

Hyacinia Bean Vine

Impatiens inside10 weeks 15 to 20 days 70 light
before last frost,

Ipomposis

Jewels of Opar

Kale, Curled

Larkspur inside 12 weeks 5 to 10 days 55 dark
before last frost

Lettuce inside 8 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light
before last frost


Liatris


lily, Blackberry


Lobelia 'Cardinal flower'

Lobelia 'Crystal Palace'

Love Lies Bleeding

Lunaria (money plant)
Needs alkaline soil

Lupine, Arroyo

Malva Zebrina


Marigolds inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
before last frost


Mexican Hat

Mexican Mint
mint tend to repel certain insects, Attracts beneficial insects

Mexican Tea

Morning Glories

Oregano

Par-cel

Parsley, Curled
parsley tend to repel certain insects

Petunia inside 10 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light
before last frost


Poppies


Portulaca inside10 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 dark
before last frost

Pumpkin inside 4 weeks 5 to 10 days 85 light or dark
before last frost


Queen Anne's Lace


Rain lilies


rose, Miniature Red


Royal Poinciana

Rudberkia - Black Eyed Susan


Salvia 'Blue Queen'
sage tend to repel certain insects, Attracts beneficial insects

Snapdragons inside 10 weeks 5 to 10 days 65 light
before last frost

Spirea, Gold Flame

indoors 4 weeks
Squash, Acorn before last frost, 5 to 10 days 85 light or dark

Squash, Butterbush inside 4 weeks 5 to 10 days 85 light or dark
before last frost

Statice 'Art Form'

Statice ' Sermon'

Straw flowers

Sweet William

Tall Primroses

Thyme
Attracts beneficial insects
Tomatoes inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 80 either
before last frost


Yucca

Zinnia inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 either
before last frost

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I'm not fussing around with it like I did last year. I didn't save much in the way of seeds - a few bits is all.

I think it was the collection of flies that got going in the office last winter that turned me off - ha ha!

I'm just keeping up with the plants I've brought indoors and hoping to take them through till spring.

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Comfrey has added the information for the:

Cleome Spider flower
Dusty Millers
Four o'clocks
Hyacinia Bean Vine
Poppies
Sweet William

And as soon as I manage to incorporate that and find the rest I'll post the completed thing here somewhere so we can all use it if we want to. How does that sound. Sorry the information doesn't stay in columns. I use notepad so it pretty simple.

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Here's what I've been able to add today:

Chinese Lanterns
Malva Zebrina
Money plant, Lunaria Biennis
Par-cel

It certainly takes time to do all of it. But we are getting there.

Alan was able to add the information for the Bells of Ireland.

This is really shaping up. You all are making it much easier.

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So you are creating your own table - good for you.

That's called being 'Pro-Active'.

And my comment is called being 'overly immersed in self-help books'. Ha ha!

Seriously though - that's a good idea, what you're doing.

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More blanks that have been filled in.

carrots
chives
coriander
feverfew
Gaillardia 'Goblin' it's the blanket flower listed earlier shocked
gay feathers, liatris
Ipomposis
Jewels of Opar
Kale, Curled
Lupine, Arroyo
Mexican Hat, Ratibida columnaris
Lunaria Biennis, Money plant

And Comfrey has added the information for the Yucca and the Thyme

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Mike added the flame bush and chinese money plant information thank you Mike57.

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Ok here is the updated table. Sorry it is sort of messy. I don't do well with detailed work anymore.

GERMINATION TABLE

1. Watering requirements are moist until the plant sprouts unless otherwise noted in the special needs section.
2. Interplanting is less stressful to plants than planting all the same type in a flower beds.


plant Names Planting Time Days to Germination Soil Temp Light Exposure
Special Needs

Allium 'cernuum'
Sowing Instructions: Sow in trays, pots, etc of good seed compost in a propagator or warm place to maintain an

optimum temperature of 65-70F (18-20C). Sow in well drained compost, just covering the seed with compost.

Sowing Time: February to July. Germination can be slow. After sowing, seal container in a polythene bag and leave

at 60-65F (15-18C) for 2 weeks, then place in a refrigerator (not freezer) for 3-6 weeks. After this return to the

recommended germination temperature. If germination does not occur in 6-10 weeks return to the fridge for a further

3-6 weeks. Examine regularly whilst in the fridge and remove immediately the seeds show signs of germinating.
growing Instructions: Transplant seedlings when large enough to handle into 7.5cm (3in) pots. Grow on in a cold

frame and plant out the following spring 30cm (12in) apart, in full sun.
Aftercare Instructions: Prefers a moist, well drained soil.

Allium 'Sparklers' direct sow in fall dark
Mulch with 3 inches of light mulch after sowing, these are bulbs
companion plant for rose bushes repels aphids and enhances the fragrance of the rose blooms.

Alpine Sea Holly direct sow in fall 83 days light
Doesn't like fertilizer, needs prechill,

Wood's Aster, inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
before last frost

Babies Breath Direct sow spring 10 to 20 days 70 dark
Has to have alkaline soil, plant at 1/16 inch deep, does not like to be transplanted

Basil, Sweet Direct sow after 5 to 10 days 70 dark
all danger of frost has passed
enhances the flavor of tomatoes and lettuce, and repels flies and mosquitoes

Bell peppers inside 8 weeks 6 to 8 days 80 to 85F dark
before last frost
Use a light soil, need good air circulation, peat pots may be to wet for good germination. Wait until the soil temp is

between 70 and 85 degrees before setting out the bell peppers.

Bells of Ireland direct sow fall light
Start seeds indoors 8 to 10 weeks before your region's last frost date. They need light to germinate, so place seeds

on top of soil. They may do better if you prechill the seeds for 30 days. Keep very cool (55 to 60 degrees F) until

plants germinate, then give direct sun supplemented by a grow light if possible.
plant seedlings outdoors in spring after all danger of frost has passed. Choose a site in full sun with average,

well-drained soil and moderate moisture. Set plants 8 to 12 inches apart. Self seeds

Blanket flower direct sow early 15 to 45 days 70 to 75F dark
Gaillardia 'Goblin' spring thru summer
6 to 10 days life after cutting, drought tolerant, self seeding. Let heads dry completely before harvesting seeds.

blooms from summer through to first frost.

Cardinal Climber Vine direct sow
after danger of last frost has passed
invasive

Carnations direct sow spring & dark
summer or inside 6
to 8 weeks before last
frost
likes slightly alkaline soils, do not mulch, use a light seed starter medium,

Carolina Jasmine Vine spring indoors 70 dark

Carrots, Nantes coreless direct sow 60 to 70 dark
as early in spring as possible
Attracts beneficial insects, needs alot of moisture throughout it's growing season until near the end.

Celosia, 'scarlet' direct sow 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
these can be started indoors 8 weeks before last frost if you have biodegradeable pots. But if their roots are

disturbed in anyway they will stop growing. For direct sow wait until the beginning of summer as they are very picky

about temperature.

Chinese Lantern, inside in spring 21 to 30 days 70F Light
'Physalis alkekengi'
needs a light soil. alkaline ph, sealing in a ziploc baggy after sowing is helpful to keep it moist. When seedlings are

large enough to handle, transplant and grow on in cooler conditions. plant out in a reserve spot and move to their

final positions in fall, lanting 24: apart in well drained soil and sun. To dry, cut the stems when the lanterns start to

show color and hang upside down in a light airy shed.

Chives direct sow 5 to 10 days 70F Dark
mid to late spring
enhance the flavor of tomatoes, carrots, apples, berries and grapes and repel aphids and japanese beetles. plant in

clumps and then separate the clumps by 1 to 1 1/2 feet

Chrysanthamums Winter direct sow


Cleome Direct sow spring 10 to 14 days dark
Spider flower inside 4 to 6 weeks
before last frost
flower Type: Annual; Height: 3' - 5'; Exposure: Full Sun; seed Depth: 1/4 " to 1/2"; seed Spacing: 3"; Thinning:

When 1" tall thin to 1.5 feet apart; Great cut flower, self seeds, attracts butterflies, blooms late summer early fall


Coleus inside 8 weeks 5 to 10 days 65 light
before last frost

Columbine winter direct sow light
seeds need to chill

Coriander Direct sow spring 5 to 10 days 65F dark
Attracts beneficial insects, plant every two weeks to stagger the harvest

Cosmos inside 4 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
before last frost

Crepe Myrtle, Dwarf

Crocus outside in fall

Daffodils outside in fall

Daisies

Dianthus

Dill
Attracts beneficial insects

Dusty Miller

This southern European native can be grown as a perennial in zones 9-10, and as an annual in zones 3-8. Height is

between 8 and 15 inches as annuals, but in zones 9-10 some varieties grow 2 to 2 1/2 feet tall, spreading the

blunt-tipped lobes of their 6- to 8-inch leaves equally wide and sending up 2 1/2- to 3-inch flat-topped clusters of tiny

yellow flowers the second year.

Dusty miller can be sown directly in the garden or rooted from cuttings of the firm central growth. plants will grow

well in most any soil, but if the soil is poorly drained the roots will rot. Water regularly until the plants are established,

then restrict to a good soaking once every week to ten days. Side dressing isn't usually necessary, but some bone

meal or pelleted poultry manure can be applied when plants are 4 to 6 inches high.

The foliage looks good in cut arrangements. Cut and soak the base of the stem before arranging.

Good news for rural gardeners: Dusty Miller is Deer Resistant!

Type: annual (or biennial); Propagation: seeds, cuttings; Light: full sun; flower Color: pink, rose, lavender, white, blue
Bloom Time: summer; Height: 12-18 inches; Width: 12-18 inches; Soil Requirements: well drained; grows as well in

poor soil as rich; zones: all; Uses: bed, border, cutflowers

Feverfew direct sow spring 5 to 10 days 65F light

Flamebush just plant it in a flower pot about a 1/4 deep in a good garden soil keep it moist till it starts to grow then

just water it as it needs it ok.

Four O'clocks outside in spring 5 to 10 days dark
after danger of frost has passed.

Named for its habit of blooming after 4:00 PM, Four O'Clocks grow and flower almost anywhere in the U.S., and

thrive in conditions where some flowers would languish, including hot, windy areas. Grown close together, they

make an excellent annual hedge. Although grown as an annual in most areas, they can be grown as a perennial in

areas where the ground never freezes. They produce tubers that can be dug in the fall and planted again the

following spring after the last chance of frost. Four O'Clocks look wonderful in large containers such as tubs and

barrels, and have an outstanding fragrance when open.

Life Cycle: Tender Perennial (Usually grown as an annual); Height: 12" to 24" inches; Bloom Season: Summer/Fall;
Color: Red-Pink-Yellow-White; Exposure: Full Sun

Garlic, Wild outside in fall
garlic tend to repel certain insects

Gay Feathers outside in fall 14 to 21 days after temps warm dark
Liatris
Need a 2 month pre-chill

Green onions direct sow 5 to 10 days 70F Dark
mid to late spring

Helleborus x nigers
‘Christmas rose

Heuchera americana inside 6 to 8 8 to 10 days 70 to 72F Dark
Coral Bells weeks before last frost

Hibiscus summer 7 to 30 days 75 to 80F Dark

Hollyhocks direct sow winter

Hyacinia Bean Vine outside early summer 7 to 14 days hot dark
Dolichos lablab inside 2 to 3 weeks before summer
in bio-degradeable pots

Neither hyacinth nor a true bean. It is a warm weather loving, fast growing, ornamental climber. Its fragrant 1 1/2 inch

purple blossoms are borne above its dark veined, green leaves. The flowers gradually give way to dark, 3 to 4 inch

long beans.

Special Directions for Short Season Climates
SOWING: Sow seeds indoors in individual peat pots two to three weeks before planting outside. seeds can be sown

directly outdoors well after last frost and weather has warmed considerably. Cover seeds with 3/4 inch fine soil

firmed down.

SPACING and TRANSPLANTING: Carefully thin young seedlings or transplant individual peat pots to about a foot

apart, after hardening off. Individual seedlings do not transplant well.

Ed's Special Advice
Select a sunny location with fairly rich well drained soil. Provide sturdy trellis support, plant can climb 10 feet or

more. Water occasionally at base of plant. Ideal for growing on arbors or fences. Hyacinth bean combines well with

other annual climbers such as thunbergia, morning glory and canary bird vine. Do not plant too early, hyacinth bean

is a tropical plant and will not tolerate cold weather.


Impatiens inside10 weeks 15 to 20 days 70 light
before last frost,

Ipomposis inside 4 to 6 weeks 7 to 14 days
Drought Tolerant before last frost

Jewels of Opar inside 2 to 4 weeks 6 to 10 days 70 dark
before last frost

Kale, Curled inside 10 weeks 10 to 14 days dark
before last frost
can also be planted in the fall for a spring plant, or in the early fall for a late fall plant

Larkspur inside 12 weeks 5 to 10 days 55 dark
before last frost

Lettuce inside 8 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light
before last frost

lily, Blackberry Direct sow fall 120 days? light
it likes a period of warmth followed by one on cold to germinate. Self seeds

Lobelia indoors in winter
'Cardinal flower'
use fine soil for seeds, plant in trays using the rake method for best results.

Lobelia indoors in winter
'Crystal Palace'
use fine soil for seeds, plant in trays using the rake method for best results.

Love Lies Bleeding

Lupine, Arroyo fall or early sping 15 to 75 days 55 - 70 dark
Likes clay

Malva Zebrina inside 12 weeks 15 to 21 days 70 dark
before last frost
Pant 1/16" deep in a good seed compost. Seal in a ziplock bag or cover with clear plastic wrap until after

germination. Transplant when large enough to handle into 3" pots. Grow cool and later plant out 18" apart into an

ordinary but not rich soil in sun and some shelter.

Marigolds inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light or dark
before last frost


Mexican Hat 20 to 40 days 68 to 75 dark
Ratibida columnaris

Mexican Mint
mint tend to repel certain insects, Attracts beneficial insects

Mexican Tea

Money plant outdoors late spring dark
Lunaria Biennis to early summer
In autumn transplant to their flowering site 12" apart. Cut the stems bearing seed pods the following early autumn

and hang in bunches upside down in a cool airy room to dry. Gently remove the outer seed casing before using

them for floral decorations.

Morning Glories
Needs scarification, self sows readily

Oregano indoors 6 to 8 5 to 10 days 70 light
weeks before last frost

Par-cel inside in spring 10 to 21 days 70 dark
to mid-summer
Transplant the seedlings when large enough to handle into 3" pots. Grow on in cooler conditions, gradually

acclimatize to outdoor conditions for 10 to 15 days before planting out 12" apart in ordinary garden soil in sun or light

shade. Water regularly in dry weather. Pick the outside leaves off all the plants regularly to encourage fresh growth.

As a pot plant final size of pot needed will be 6". Grow in a cool, airy, well lit spot.

Parsley, Curled
parsley tend to repel certain insects

Petunia inside 10 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 light
before last frost


Poppies outside in fall 10 to 15 days dark
seeds need to be chilled

Portulaca inside10 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 dark
before last frost

Pumpkin inside 4 weeks 5 to 10 days 85 light or dark
before last frost


Queen Anne's Lace
Wild flower

Rain lilies


rose, Miniature Red


Royal Poinciana indoors before last frost
scarify seeds

Rudberkia indoors 6 to 8 weeks light
Black Eyed Susan before last frost


Salvia 'Blue Queen'
sage tend to repel certain insects, Attracts beneficial insects

Snapdragons inside 10 weeks 5 to 10 days 65 light
before last frost

indoors 4 weeks
Squash, Acorn before last frost, 5 to 10 days 85 light or dark

Squash, Butterbush inside 4 weeks 5 to 10 days 85 light or dark
before last frost

Statice 'Art Form' inside early spring 3 to 5 days 75F dark

Statice ' Sermon' inside early spring 3 to 5 days 75F dark

Straw flowers inside 6 to 8 weeks 60F dark
before last frost

Sweet William 14 to 30 days 60 to 70F dark
Dianthus barbatus (Caryophyllaceae)
A perennial variety which usually performs as an annual. Native to Europe, it has escaped cultivation and adapted to

all regions of the United States. The brilliant little flowers have fringed petals of red, pink, purple or violet. An ideal

spring flower often blooming 60 to 90 days after planting under ideal environmental conditions. Prefers moist,

well-drained soil in full sun. In areas having extremely hot summers, plant in partial shade for best results.

Height: 12-18 inches; Sowing depth: 1/16"; Blooms April thru September; Suggested use: Borders, mass plantings,

meadows; Very sweetly scented. Makes a nice cut flower with a vase life of 7 to 10 days.


Thyme

Thyme is a perennial native to the Mediterranean. It is hardy to zone five, but is prone to disease and insect

infestation in the Deep South. Southern gardeners may want to grow thyme indoors in containers so that conditions

may be carefully controlled. Most varieties grow to only six to twelve inches in height, and they make an attractive

edging for the perennial border. Leaves are dark gray-green in color, and pale pink flowers bloom at the tips of the

stems in summer.
You can start thyme from seeds to get a wider selection of varieties. Most nurseries carry transplants in spring and

summer. It prefers a sandy, dry soil and plenty of sun. If your soil is acidic, add some lime. If you live in a very cold

climate, protect the plants in winter by mulching heavily. Once established, the only care will be regular pruning of

the plants and removal of dead flowers and pruning to remove old wood.
Harvesting
Leaves can be harvested for fresh use throughout the summer, but the flavor is best just before flowering. To dry,

cut the stems just as the flowers start to open and hang in small bunches. Harvest sparingly the first year.
Thyme Problems
The only thing that I can find that will kill Thyme is wet roots. A fast draining soil is your best insurance. The worst

place to put Thyme is at the bottom of a hill or wall where all the rain water stands.
growing Thyme Indoors
You can grow Thyme inside as long as it gets a strong southern exposure. Since it is so hardy though, a wonderful

pot with Thyme is great outside all year by the kitchen door.
Attracts beneficial insects

Tomatoes inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 80 either
before last frost


Yucca inside in May 2 to 3 weeks 70 dark
loose soil mix, needs to be kept indoors until about 3 years old?

Zinnia inside 6 weeks 5 to 10 days 70 either
before last frost

#110654 December 30th, 2005 at 06:55 AM
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Ok dokey,

njoyit helped us out of one of the few we have left.

Love Lies Bleeding
it germinates with warm soil 70-75, direct sow, let it have some light, step on the seed crumbles, & keep watered, & not dry out.

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Tammy, If you were to have a data base for this, would these labels be the ones you need? Any more, any less.

Common Name
Botaincal Name
Hardy in zone
Height
Spacing
Sun Exposure
Watering Needs
Soil requirements
Propogation
Planting Depth
Germination
seed Collecting
Days to Maturity

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Here are some of the catagories that seem like a good idea. But maybe this is too complicated.

when to plant indoors, when to plant outdoors, type of soil, soil temp, soil pH, water requirement, sun requirements, sowing depth, stratification, scarification, Soaking before planting, seeds that need to be fresh like bird of paradise seeds, days to germination. And special requirements i.e. green beans the soil needs to be soaked before planting but then no additional watering until after the plants sprout when started indoors.

Bill has over 1200 plant profiles right here and I didn't want to duplicate what was right here except to put the germination information all in one at-a-glance location.

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I have similar labels for a lot of those ones, but you are right that it could get quite complicated if you are wanting all of the really detailed notes. Will have to think about that some more. The file I have without your additions is already such a long one that it would take a while just to go from one side to the other to get the info. I am going to have to look at some online and see what I can come up with.

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I know what you mean. Each plant still demands two three rows for me to fit it in my notepad program. Which of course is a freebie program in my scaled down model of windows.

What really refuses to fit anywhere are the inside growing instructions for miniature roses grown from seed. It's 4 pages long lol.

I guess that's why I don't have the growing instructions in the germination table. growing and maintaining the plants I do as a plant profile in an outline style. It's much easier.


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