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Loz's photo albums #89365 Jul 13th, 2007 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered I figured I'd do them seperate so I don't have to look thru pages of other stuff to find them again. Leaving Cumberland, MD WA State and Cedar Hill Maryland or Bust Enjoy--it's a lot of pics and I didn't have time to caption them yet, but I will get there eventually!!!! If you're wondering about a certain pic give me the pic number and I'll try to tell you what or where it is. Slideshow works best, it actually moves pretty good and smooth. Last edited by loz; Jul 13th, 2007 at 03:14 PM.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89368 Jul 13th, 2007 at 03:29 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada Sunflowers Northern Star Sunflowers Northern Star Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada Hmm, I'm only getting a snake pic then a map picture-must be from my dial-up. I'll leave the whole thing load in the morning. ~~Tam~ You can bury all your troubles by digging in the dirt.

Re: Loz's photo albums Sunflowers #89369 Jul 13th, 2007 at 03:30 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered I'm sorry about the dial up thing. There are a LOT of pictures in those albums and it just might not work/load up good. Do you have a library with DSL Tamara?

Re: Loz's photo albums #89370 Jul 13th, 2007 at 03:33 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada Sunflowers Northern Star Sunflowers Northern Star Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada A library ....Loz, I wish you could see the place where I live. We can't even get high-speed around here. It's o.k. I'll leave it load while cooking breakfast. ~~Tam~ You can bury all your troubles by digging in the dirt.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89379 Jul 13th, 2007 at 04:11 PM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Omg Loz, you and Mark took some terrific pictures!!!!!!!!! I will go back and look at Maryland or bust I saw the other two! In the Cedar Hill slide show... # 1396 cracked me up!! You , Jiffy and Cindy!!!!!!!! Toooo much!! # 1444 with Bill and Cindy looking in two different direction, either deciding which way to go and shadow chill'in waiting ... . Or they looked like they were in deep thought! # 1525 fireworks looked like a sparkling Owl~~~~~~~ magical once again! All of the Pictures were were Fantastic, Cedar hill is sooo beautiful and all of the surrounding views!!!!!! Thanks sooooo much for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I enjoyed every one of those Pictures!! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89389 Jul 13th, 2007 at 05:40 PM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas I highly doubt that was the case Cindy! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89414 Jul 13th, 2007 at 06:57 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered Glad you guys liked them!

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89417 Jul 13th, 2007 at 06:58 PM Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 26,932 Rocky Mount, VA Shirley4 Giggles Shirley4 Giggles Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 26,932 Rocky Mount, VA Loz, your pictures were wonderful!!! Cindy, I don't know how you almost always have something in front of your face!! You are such a big tease!!! "I Love Virginia!"

Re: Loz's photo albums Sunflowers #89483 Jul 13th, 2007 at 09:27 PM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Originally Posted by tamara Hmm, I'm only getting a snake pic then a map picture-must be from my dial-up. I'll leave the whole thing load in the morning. yep--dial-up here too. I am getting a few of the gardens as well as the snake. I guess i will try again in the AM as well. Thanks tamara for the idea--- ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums JunieGirl #89486 Jul 13th, 2007 at 09:28 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered 3rd album said it was private...the one on the way home. I guess nobody saw it because I just now changed it to public.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89594 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:50 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered Bill was smelling your hair or something! Are you embarrassed that we made out Cindy! And that pic IS sad......that was the final walk outta there. And then there was just me and Mark and Bill left.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89597 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:52 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered BTW, it's official I have an accent. In Chicago some young man asked me for 60 cents....he wasn't a bum, at least he was dressed good and didn't seem like a bum. I got out a "sorry I don't have it on me", and he said, where the heck are you from with that accent? Several people asked me where I was from with my accent.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89601 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:54 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Originally Posted by loz Are you embarrassed that we made out Cindy! I saw that but did'nt want to comment on it ~~ I was waiting for a confirmation of what I was looking at first!! , you all had soooo much fun there!!!!! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89604 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:56 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Loz, I was not aware that people from maryland have an "accent" i have been in maryland--& I did not notice any diffrence in speech--- Last edited by JunieGirl; Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:58 AM. Reason: "apparently I need a "spell check"!! ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #89609 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:00 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered I guess you don't want reminded about what went on in the bedroom! :wink: I live in rural MD near the WV border, that could have something to do with it!

Re: Loz's photo albums #89611 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:02 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri [/quote] by afgreyparrot I'll just claim I was drunk or drugged and say I don't remember it... That excuse seems to have worked so far for everything else i did! [/quote] ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #89613 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:03 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas [quote=loz]I guess you don't want reminded about what went on in the bedroom! :wink: [/quote/] NOoooooooooooooo I don't even want to know!! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89619 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:07 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Originally Posted by loz I guess you don't want reminded about what went on in the bedroom! :wink: I live in rural MD near the WV border, that could have something to do with it! ah, its making sence now-----I was in Silver Springs-- ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #89620 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:07 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered :wink: If you don't remember then I'm not telling!

Re: Loz's photo albums #89622 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:08 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Originally Posted by afgreyparrot Quote I guess you don't want reminded about what went on in the bedroom! Which thing? apparently I NEED to make a trip to the library, huh??? ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #89624 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:09 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Originally Posted by afgreyparrot I'll just claim I was drunk or drugged and say I don't remember it... That excuse seems to have worked so far for everything else i did! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89640 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:22 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Cindy, glad I could bring you joy--(the making you ya know---) ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #89641 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:22 AM Jiffymouse Unregistered Jiffymouse Unregistered yup! a trip to the library is definitely in order

Re: Loz's photo albums #89645 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:31 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri :wink: ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #89651 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:37 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Originally Posted by Jiffymouse yup! a trip to the library is definitely in order Do you think they'd have a book called Excuses for Cindy Lou!! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89652 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:40 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Originally Posted by angelblossom Originally Posted by Jiffymouse yup! a trip to the library is definitely in order Do you think they'd have a book called Excuses for Cindy Lou!! couldn't hurt to ask-- ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums JunieGirl #89655 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:47 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Originally Posted by JunieGirl [quote=angelblossom][quote=Jiffymouse]yup! a trip to the library is definitely in order Do you think they'd have a book called Excuses for Cindy Lou!! Heck for that matter She could write a book herself on that !!! Welllllllllllll on second thought that wouldn't be such a good idea because ~~~~~~~~~ it would only have 1 page......... " I was drunk and Drugged and I don't remember anything" "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89660 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:50 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Wellll you did say you were sticking to that story! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89666 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:58 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Originally Posted by afgreyparrot Quote " I was drunk and Drugged and I don't remember anything" If I weren't trying so hard to set a good example here on the forum I'd use that as my signature line! You could use this and maybe some of the newer members will believe it "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89667 Jul 14th, 2007 at 07:59 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered Now THAT is funny! It was so freaking cool seeing the Welcome Garden Helpers up at Bubba's!

Re: Loz's photo albums #89672 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:03 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas It was even cooler seeing you all standing with the sign at Bubba's !!! And Seeing Bubba too!!!!!!!!! That was sooooooo Very awesome of Bill to arrange that!!!!! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89677 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:06 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered It was a VERY nice dinner. Now when I wear my Bubba's t-shirt I can actually say I've been there.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89689 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:13 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Awwwwwwwww you guys are sooo blessed to have had such a wonderful vacation! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89690 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:13 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered Cindy I miss you!

Re: Loz's photo albums #89695 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:16 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas AWwwwwwwwwwwwwww Loz!!!!!!!!! You all are doing this again next year Right??????? "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89712 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:29 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered Yeh, let's all move to Bills! Wouldn't he just love that? Me and Mark could fix up Freds Shed and live there, maybe build onto it some.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89720 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:34 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Originally Posted by loz Me and Mark could fix up Freds Shed and live there, maybe build onto it some. "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums #89796 Jul 14th, 2007 at 10:03 AM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas I noticed noone had a picture of anyone in the hammock! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums angelblossom #89830 Jul 14th, 2007 at 11:14 AM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada Sunflowers Northern Star Sunflowers Northern Star Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada I still can't get anything to load except the pic with the snake. I hate my computer. ~~Tam~ You can bury all your troubles by digging in the dirt.

Re: Loz's photo albums #89847 Jul 14th, 2007 at 12:21 PM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Originally Posted by afgreyparrot Tamara...at the top of the album, if you click "Index" instead of "slide show"...it will show thumbnails of the pics...and you can go through and click them one by one...ones you want to look at. Might help you some. Cindy, I was having trouble viewing Loz's pic too--and thanks to you advice, I was able to see them all-thanks so much And Loz, Awsome pictuers-- They will go well with your awsome memories. and good luck on getting your scrap books completed. ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums JunieGirl #90037 Jul 14th, 2007 at 03:42 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Lots of pictures. Cindy for some reason I always thought you were very tall but next to Loz you don't appear tall. In photo 231 in the Cedar Hill photos there's only 1 flip flop on the rocks. Did a person belong to that shoe? Who is the lady in the red stripped top in photo 288?

Re: Loz's photo albums #90095 Jul 14th, 2007 at 04:58 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered Cindy was so little I could've stuck her in my pocket and carried her around with me. Then again I am just an extra tall jolly green giant kind of girl.

Re: Loz's photo albums #90121 Jul 14th, 2007 at 05:57 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC You're tall in my mind Cindy.

Re: Loz's photo albums Bestofour #90127 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:04 PM Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend angelblossom A Gnome's Best Friend Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 30,001 Arlington,Texas Awwwwwww Sheri!! "Grace without perfection is more to be desired than perfection without grace."

Re: Loz's photo albums Bestofour #90144 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:15 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC I have 3 sisters. The youngest is 5'4" and we thought she was so tall. It's funny looking back now. My older sister is 5 feet and I remember people telling her "you'll have a growth spurt soon." She's still waiting.

Re: Loz's photo albums #90145 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:16 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Originally Posted by afgreyparrot Quote Yeh, let's all move to Bills! Let's do it! Double Dog Dare you to move first! I'd like too. His place is beautiful.

Re: Loz's photo albums #90156 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:23 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC When is Diane's birthday?

Re: Loz's photo albums Bestofour #90157 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:26 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC After reading Mama Mouse's post I'm wondering am I hijacking Loz's picture post? I'm not sure what hijacking means. I thought it was something people as a prank to one another. I don't want to get into trouble.

Re: Loz's photo albums #90166 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:32 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Bestofour Patriot Bestofour Patriot Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,744 Likes: 31 Monroe, NC Keep us posted on that please.

Re: Loz's photo albums Bestofour #90191 Jul 14th, 2007 at 06:53 PM Jiffymouse Unregistered Jiffymouse Unregistered Originally Posted by afgreyparrot Quote Cindy for some reason I always thought you were very tall I am! I'm 5' 4" with my shoes on! Liar Liar pants on fire!!! you are 5'2" tops! (but i love you anyway! ) Originally Posted by Bestofour You're tall in my mind Cindy. that's sweet sheri. she's just a big presence so she doesn't need height. we were like the three door steps, loz, cindy, and i. check out some of the pics of us where i am in the middle. it's right at 4" between us each. and, this is hijacking, and it is fun and allowed anywhere but the actual plant sections. we're fine here, and it's all good! but thank you for caring

Re: Loz's photo albums #90322 Jul 14th, 2007 at 08:45 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered If it helps, mom always says good things come in small packages....that's what she tells me about Mark!

Re: Loz's photo albums #90798 Jul 15th, 2007 at 04:53 PM Joined: May 2004 Posts: 9,238 p.a zone-6a sibyl sibyl Joined: May 2004 Posts: 9,238 p.a zone-6a awsome pics loz!

Re: Loz's photo albums sibyl #90852 Jul 15th, 2007 at 06:49 PM Jiffymouse Unregistered Jiffymouse Unregistered Quit picking on Mark, he's not here to defend himself! he's my little buddy! Last edited by Rose dud; Jul 15th, 2007 at 06:50 PM. Reason: additional comment

Re: Loz's photo albums #90866 Jul 15th, 2007 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered He's right here chuckling..... He many not be here but I read him a lot of stuff since we're both in the living room. :wink:

Re: Loz's photo albums #90986 Jul 16th, 2007 at 03:55 AM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada Sunflowers Northern Star Sunflowers Northern Star Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 30,476 Likes: 61 Atlantic Canada Originally Posted by afgreyparrot Tamara...at the top of the album, if you click "Index" instead of "slide show"...it will show thumbnails of the pics...and you can go through and click them one by one...ones you want to look at. Might help you some. Thank you, thank you Cindy It worked, I got to see the pics. I am so excited. ~~Tam~ You can bury all your troubles by digging in the dirt.

Re: Loz's photo albums Sunflowers #91012 Jul 16th, 2007 at 05:10 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri Tamara: I too was having trouble viewing loz's photos-(the evil dial-up monster is here as well)-so when Cindy gave you that suggestion--I jumped at it---and it worked for me too. :wink: yea!!! ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums #91055 Jul 16th, 2007 at 05:52 AM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri JunieGirl Frogger JunieGirl Frogger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 46,820 Likes: 33 Southern Missouri I think you should, Cindy---if I were giving them out, I know you would!!! ________ Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!! .....

Re: Loz's photo albums JunieGirl #91123 Jul 16th, 2007 at 06:55 AM Anonymous Unregistered Anonymous Unregistered 200 points for you Cindy.