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#206904 - 05/05/08 05:14 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: cricket]
Tamara from Minnesota Offline
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That's too bad since I am getting it now. I can ask how old the bottom layer is, maybe that is safe. What if I took the rest and 'hot composted' it? I am going to be putting clear plastic on my home garden for the season to kill the junk and then planting bulbs and perennials in fall and next spring. What if I took most of the rabbit manure home and put it under the clear plastic? In a few weeks would it be not so 'hot' and ready to side dress my plants? Also if I delay using it for my tomatoes what if I spread the rabbit poo on the area where I will plant peppers and melons in 4 weeks?
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#207122 - 05/06/08 05:57 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Tamara from Minnesota]
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Its been a number of years since I raised rabbits but their poo wasn't that big. I think you'd be fine if you spread out a thin layer now and tilled/plowed it under after 4 weeks of baking in the sun and getting rained on. I bet you wouldn't even be able to identify it anymore after a good tilling.
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#207192 - 05/06/08 10:05 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Soilmover]
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I think soilmover is absolutely right, 4 weeks and it should be fine, and as to side dressing, I can't imagine any problems if you used it fresh, just don't let it touch the foliage or stems, and go a little easy until it cures.

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#207619 - 05/09/08 11:20 AM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: peppereater]
Happy Birthday Sorellina Offline
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Ciao all-

For the record, tomatoes are not related to melons. Tomatoes belong to the family Solanacae, or Nightshade family that comprises tomatoes, tomatillos, eggplants, peppers, potatoes and some other poisonous things like deadly nightshade. Melons belong to the family Cucurbitaceae which comprises melons, cucumbers, summer and winter squashes, pumpkins, loofahs, and some other inedibles. If you're concerned with particularly nasty pests and diseases, when you rotate your crops, make sure you don't rotate something with another thing in the same family.
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#207678 - 05/09/08 05:31 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Sorellina]
Tamara from Minnesota Offline
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I took four wheel barrow loads of poop today. A lot of food was mixed in too. I spread out the poop- some old, some new, can't keep the little roundies separate- in the area where melons and peppers will go. At the end of the month I will till and put down weed blocker and plant the seedlings. I am still trying to figure out what manure to put in my tomato 'holes'. Maybe I'll just buy a few bags. Today I covered the tomato/basil/squash area with clear plastic. I will remove, add compost and soaker hoses and plant each seedling with manure, epsom, fertilizer and egg shells, then ring with wall-o-waters.
Things are progressing pretty well at my field. I'm starting to figure some things out. I put up bean supports today too.
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#207695 - 05/09/08 06:51 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Tamara from Minnesota]
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DO not put poop in the tomato holes.........YOu will have all bushes and no tomatoes.......It happens to cow poop.......Been there
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#207786 - 05/10/08 07:21 AM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: dodge]
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Poop is fine if you don't overdo it, but yeah, the nitrogen can cause the plants to grow like Jack and the Bean Stalk!
Tamara, the best thing you could do right now is take a soil sample to the closest extension agency and find out what your soil contains...it might be that you don't need to do a thing! Or you may be able to tell alot just by looking and feeling the soil...
If it's good, dark loam, or otherwise good soil, you may have everything you need right there already.


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#208425 - 05/12/08 05:34 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: peppereater]
Tamara from Minnesota Offline
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It's not dark and rich unfortunately. Everytime I go there I bring worms from home because there aren't any. The fields around my house are sandy, which really isn't that bad.
But you have definitely reminded me that I have to do a soil test! I almost forgot to. I have a kit in the garage I used at home.

It's still really cool here. I know they are saying the garden zones aren't what they used to be and that you can plant stuff for a warmer zone. But not here in the last couple years! It used to be like that a few years ago but now we have record late frosts in spring and record early frost in fall and record days below average temp! I remember planting out annual flowers like cosmos and nasturtium last year and losing them to frost and losing everything in fall to a very early freeze. So I am playing it safe this year. I will plant my maters with wall o waters and wait on everything else- even flowers- that I usually put in now.

Still to plant here:
tomatoes
haricot verts
corn
annual flowers and glads
then peppers, melons, cucumbers, squash, basil.
The farmers around here started planting field corn but it is too cold for it to germinate. I wonder what they are thinking! The soil temp is 50.
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#208645 - 05/13/08 06:11 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Tamara from Minnesota]
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If your near farm fields check your PH level too, all the high nitrogen fertilzers they apply really drops the Ph-even in nearby land that isn't directly cropped. My father found this out last year. He's been liming to help get his garden back up in the 6.0-6.5, it was as low as 4.0 in some areas of his plot and even the weeds were not growing that well.

They've planted corn near us too, they like to push it early to get a better root depth before the high heat/dry summer months and also to not pollinate during those months-its all about the highest yield these days. Its scary how the hybrid/genitcally modified seed can germinate at such low temps.

My gardens are tilled waiting to go, its supposed to warm up tommorow with no rain I'm hoping to get some seeds in the ground too. I've only got lettuce in now.

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#208705 - 05/13/08 09:03 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Soilmover]
Tamara from Minnesota Offline
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Loc: Minnesota
Yeah it has been darn cool. Jonathan Yuhas says it will get into 70s by early next week. The jetstream will move up higher or something.
Hope you have a great day planting! I have to wait a week and just wish I could add a day to my week so I would have time.
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#208804 - 05/14/08 11:25 AM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: Soilmover]
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 Originally Posted By: Soilmover
If your near farm fields check your PH level too, all the high nitrogen fertilzers they apply really drops the Ph-even in nearby land that isn't directly cropped. My father found this out last year. He's been liming to help get his garden back up in the 6.0-6.5, it was as low as 4.0 in some areas of his plot and even the weeds were not growing that well.

They've planted corn near us too, they like to push it early to get a better root depth before the high heat/dry summer months and also to not pollinate during those months-its all about the highest yield these days. Its scary how the hybrid/genitcally modified seed can germinate at such low temps.

My gardens are tilled waiting to go, its supposed to warm up tommorow with no rain I'm hoping to get some seeds in the ground too. I've only got lettuce in now.


[color:#CC0000]I disagree strongly .I been on the farm all my life.. Remember you moved out by the farm, the farm didnt move out by you...HINT.And there is no truth to your story........Why arent the farmers allowed to make any money.
If your boss offers a raise, will you say no no that is too much??/I doubt it?
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#208807 - 05/14/08 11:42 AM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: dodge]
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I don't use poop in my gardens, just compost. Once in a while if it's raining really good I'll throw out some store bought fertilizer around the plants.

I really like your color coded chart Tamara. Fancy.
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#208925 - 05/14/08 06:45 PM Re: bunch of veggie questions [Re: dodge]
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Yeah well I don't agree with your statement, my father didn't move to this area, he's lived on it his whole life,he now has all the property of the original family farm ever since my grandparents passed. Its rented to a neighbor who has been farming it for many years.

Lets not wreck Tamara's good post-email me off line.

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