#180656 - 02/10/08 07:55 PM
Growing from seeds
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Mommy
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I am currently growing a few different kinds of seeds. I started them out in a Jiffy mini-greenhouse with bottom heat. I took them off of the bottom heat and opened the lid once they were a few inches high. This has been about 3 days. I now have them in larger bio-degradable pots that I can plant directly outside.
My question is this: Do they need auctual sunlight, or can I just warm them with a lamp and a regular lightbulb? Right now I have 2 lamps about 3 feet apart facing inward towards the seedlings. Is this sufficient? They are in the garage and have no sunlight at all. I could move them outside, but we still have 4-6 weeks until the last frost is predicted to be past.
Anyone?
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#180691 - 02/10/08 09:07 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
[Re: Mommy]
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Mommy
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This kind of answers my own question. I hope this can help others too:
For a basic outline on how to start seeds, there are several things that must be present to ensure success: proper containers, proper growing media, proper moisture, proper light, proper temperature, good air circulation. A big must is cleanliness. Containers must be clean and free of fungus spores, planting medium must be sterile, etc. The idea is to prevent disease formation in young seedlings, particularly damping off.
I generally use peat pots filled with moistened sterile soilless mix or Jiffy7's. I also use cell packs or 2x2 plastic starting pots. If I use containers that have been used previously, I clean them and then dip them in a solution of bleach and water, 1-2 Tbsp of household bleach to the gallon. Dip the scrubbed containers in this solution to kill any spores, then let dry thoroughly.
Start planning what you want to grow and purchase the seeds as early as possible. Some seeds require extensive time indoors for germination and growing. Be sure to refer to a seed-starting chart for length of time and the best method for germination and growing on indoors. Be aware that some seeds require pre-chilling, or stratification. Some seeds require nicking the surface, scarification, or benefit by soaking for a while before sowing. Some require bottom heat, and some require total darkness. Read up before purchasing so you will be prepared on how to properly start your chosen plants. If you are in a garden center, read the backs of the seed packet labels for the proper method and time to start seeds.
Find out what your average last frost date is. If a given variety of seed needs to be started 10 to 12 weeks before the last frost date, count back that time to when you can safely plant the seeds. For example, if April 30 is your last average frost date, then from about February 12 to 19 would be about right for something requiring 10 to 12 weeks for starting indoors.
Now for planting mixes or medium: Forget about sterilizing soil in the oven. It is messy, not the best medium for indoor seed starting, and stinks to high heaven while sterilizing! Be sure to use a good, sterile seed starting mix. I used to blend my own with milled spahgnum moss, perlite, vermiculite, and whatever else. Now, I am just as content to let others blend a good mix, and I am willing to pay the price. Most soilless mixes are relatively inexpensive, so why bother with some magic blend? My time is precious, as I am sure yours is, too. Follow the directions on the bag for moistening the medium, and fill your containers, as directed.
The best "tool" for starting some of the larger seeds is a pencil. Pop the point into the medium the required depth, and add the seed. Cover with sifted medium and spritz the top to moisten, not douse! For finer seed, adding a little sand to the seed packet will help to evenly distribute the seeds when planting. Press dustlike seeds onto the moistened surface. Place your containers on trays, and add saran wrap or some other plastic wrap over the top of the containers and trays to seal in the moisture. Now, bottom heat is very helpful to absolutely necessary in order for most seed to germinate. You can supply bottom heat with a heating mat, or place trays of planted pots on a water heater or my favorite, on top of the refrigerator. Keep your plantings away from cold windowsills or drafty areas. If total darkness is required, then place newspaper on top of the plastic-covered containers, or place them into a dark trash bag before placing on top of the refrigerator. Check for signs of germination. When most of the seeds have sprouted and are showing their first set of leaves, or seed leaves, remove the plastic cover. Keep them moist, not soggy. Now is the time to add supplemental lighting.
Lighting is crucial. If you do not have a greenhouse or extremely bright southern exposure, you will need supplemental lighting. There are many different lights that can be used. Flourescent lights and grow lights that offer full spectrum lighting are the best choices. Forget standard incandescent light bulbs. They do not supply the lighting required for strong plant formation and they give off too much heat. You can purchase pre-wired light stands or rig your own system up. Just be sure the lighting is within a few inches, not feet, of the tops of your seedlings. As your plants continue continue to grow, the lights can be raised up a bit. Plants should be within two to three inches of the light source, but not touching. I have an old baker's rack system that I have used for many years. I used thin plywood panels, screwed in cup hooks, and added chains to suspend the attached lights so I could raise and lower them as needed over the seedlings. It is inexpensive and has served a good purpose for many years. I have used both grow lights and fluorescent lighting with this system with good success. When I use fluorescent, I combine one warm light with one cool light tube for the proper light spectrum. Also, I change my light tubes every year to every other year. After a while, the light spectrum does decline, although it might not be apparent to the naked eye. Aim for about twelve hours of supplemental lighting per day. If you do choose to use a bright windowsill, keep an eye out for cold drafts and spindly growth. Also, you will need to rotate your plants every day to keep them growing straight, as they will tend to bend towards the light source from your windows.
Once seedlings start to develop true leaves, thinning becomes an issue. If seedlings are not properly thinned, they are more susceptible to diseases such as damping off and will be competing with each other. Snip the excess seedlings with a pair of scissors so the remaining seedlings will not be disturbed.
Water from the bottom of your pots, and check the moisture levels every day. Warm winter homes means dry air. Seedlings will become stressed if they are allowed to dry out excessively. While they do not require the constant moisture level as starting seeds do, seedlings do require even, not soggy moisture.
Once the seedlings are up and running, so to speak, they will require food. Feed a half-strength solution of sea kelp, fish emulsion, or complete organic fertilizer. Add by bottom watering. As the plants develop, many will appreciate a foliar feeding as well.You may need to transplant your seedlings several times. If they become pot-bound or overly big for their containers, they will begin to suffer and weaken, so this is an essential step. Transplant them into larger containers and use more of the soilless medium. You may need to transplant your seedlings several times. If they become pot-bound or too big for their containers, they will begin to suffer and weaken, so this is an essential step. Transplant them into larger containers and use more of the soilless medium.
Gradually harden off your plants before finally planting them outdoors. Start by placing them in a protected and shady spot after the weather has started to moderate. Keep them out for about two hours at first, then gradually increase the amount of time they are spending outdoors. Gradually increase their exposure to natural sunlight after they are up to about eight hours a day in a protected spot. Bring them indoors if the weather threatens to turn frosty or very cold at night. Transplant them on a cloudy, windless day.
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#183093 - 02/17/08 03:43 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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Wow! That is a lot of great information.. I would like to start some seeds of my own this year.. but this method seems kind of intimidating.. I don't have much room to work with.. and don't have special lighting or heating.. hmm.. I will have to give this some more consideration I think. =/
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#183294 - 02/18/08 02:23 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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Dodge, do you mean put them outside?? Cause that I could do. ;)
And I LOOOOOVVVVE your horsey.. oh sorry, your Nitemare! :P Where did you find it? I would like something similar to add to my siggie.. Do you have horses??
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#183298 - 02/18/08 02:34 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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suzydaze
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hubby drinks bottled water because he travels so much and I've had him start saving me some to start some seeds in, I think I'm ready since we are down to 30 days til spring!!!!!
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#183304 - 02/18/08 02:49 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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dodge
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#183312 - 02/18/08 03:17 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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Thanks Dodge! Now I just need to find some containers to start them in.. though, I suppose I could just buy some of the little peat pots.. would that work? hehe And I need to figure out what it is I want to grow.. 
Edited by Pinkhorseofcourse (02/18/08 03:19 PM)
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#183318 - 02/18/08 03:24 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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Bother.. the horsey isn't there anymore. :( Just mostly little smilies with question marks.
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#183320 - 02/18/08 03:27 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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dodge
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#183334 - 02/18/08 03:54 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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Oh Ok.. that link you gave me was biting.. so I went to the index.. I don't see any thing listed as horses.. so I am checking animals. Thank you!!
And yeah, all those sound good, but I don't really have any of those.. I could use egg cartons.. or some styro foam cups.
ETA: Gah what an airhead I am!! I see the horse categories now. *slinks away*
Edited by Pinkhorseofcourse (02/18/08 04:00 PM)
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#183341 - 02/18/08 04:10 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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dodge
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#183351 - 02/18/08 04:23 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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#183362 - 02/18/08 04:42 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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reopenguin
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thank you! where would i get advise on what to grow. I am 36, but have inoperable tumors on my feet, and have arthritis that is getting worse. Therefore, i am wanting to plant most of my yard in a cottage type design so i do not have to worry about mowing much, i have a lot of hills on my acre lot, so much washes away. I am trying to do as much as possible while i am still able to, with walk ways, ect. i built a small pond in the front alreasdy. i am very active, and love the outdoors, and want to make it where i can still enjoy it when i am unable to work it much. any suggestions, or places for ideas, i do not have a lot of money to spend. I love this sight!thanks
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#183367 - 02/18/08 04:52 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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dodge
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#183375 - 02/18/08 05:01 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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#183406 - 02/18/08 05:44 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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 Your Blind........ on the Home page click NEXT then click .............Index on the index it is located on the 6th column Horses1 / 7th column Horses2 It is 14th Row down....................... TRY........again.. 
*thwap* I am not blind..  I edited that I found them.. not sure why I didn't see them the first time.. I was looking too hard me thinks.
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#183410 - 02/18/08 05:52 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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dodge
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#183424 - 02/18/08 06:04 PM
Re: Growing from seeds
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Pinkhorseofcourse
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hmmmm do I sense sarcasm??
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